00:00:02: In the past, our view of the world was influenced by artists.

00:00:09: The way Picasso painted... ...the way Warhol talked about capitalism and consumerism.

00:00:14: those changed how we saw the world.

00:00:17: Now tech billionaires namely Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk control powerful algorithms that influence How We See the World.

00:00:27: They influence what we see and they influence.

00:00:30: What?

00:00:30: We don't say how much of it we see

00:00:33: says Mike Winckelman also known as people who I met for a new episode Of our world Kunst podcast was Marty kunst.

00:00:41: And Who has brought with him some regular animals into Berlin's Neue National Gallery whose partner Volkswagen group culture is Also the sponsor this podcast.

00:00:51: People Is A digital artist, a graphic designer a director and programmer And I'm very curious to hear his answer to our regular opening question.

00:01:01: What

00:01:08: is art upto?

00:01:19: talking enough about how technology is impacting our lives.

00:01:24: I think that to me, it's the most pressing conversation of our times and i would love to see more people talking about that versus other.

00:01:32: things might be concerns but maybe are not as universal this sort-of like concern.

00:01:40: I can imagine you're one person in art history people to talk about technology in the arts, maybe more than anyone before.

00:01:52: I'm thinking specifically five years ago when one of your works are actually it's a compilation of thousands of work.

00:02:02: Your NFT every day is the first five thousand days sold at Christie's for almost seventy million dollars.

00:02:10: so... Before we dive into with that that will be shown in Berlin now and into your other works.

00:02:17: This was really an impact on the art world, I remember...I have to admit- I didn't know you name before that?

00:02:23: I had never heard of Beeple!

00:02:26: And then i thought

00:02:26: what!?

00:02:27: Sixty nine million dollars for a

00:02:30: NFT?!

00:02:30: That's really um how should.. I got

00:02:33: some people's attention.

00:02:35: yeah okay

00:02:36: What kind of work is

00:02:37: it??

00:02:38: for people who haven't seen parts of it or the whole thing.

00:02:41: Sure, so that was a compilation of five thousand images... ...that were created over five-thousand days called The Everyday Series A series I started in two thousand seven where i do a picture from start to finish each day.

00:02:59: um..I'm still doing this and have some time today Um, and it has to be posted somewhere online before midnight.

00:03:08: And that's always been the sort of like rule of the the sort or like project.

00:03:12: And in twenty-twenty one Uh there were late twenty Twenty-twty The uh this crazy new sort of Like NFT thing was exploding About two weeks before Christie's approached me to do this auction.

00:03:31: I had just hit five thousand days of those every day.

00:03:35: and so the piece is a giant compilation of all The first five thousand Days, And So You can look at the piece online.

00:03:46: But Every single image Is so small you Can Barely Even See Any Of Them?

00:03:55: Yeah, it's kind of hard a bit to judge that project just looking at one image.

00:04:21: Yeah, so almost all of them besides the first year are digitally sort of like drawn.

00:04:28: The way that every day started.

00:04:31: I started out doing a picture everyday drawing because i wanted to get better at drawing and I had saw an illustrator art of the UK named Tom Judd who did a sketch-a-day for a year And I thought oh That's a cool way to stick with something and improve your craft.

00:04:46: So I started doing.

00:04:48: And then after that year, I realized I learned a lot.

00:04:51: Still very bad at drawing but... ...I thought what if i took this sort of like idea and this practice and applied it to A three-D program?

00:05:01: Then I could learn that three D program.

00:05:04: so most Of the you know now nineteen years are digital Like almost all them.

00:05:12: So um yeah today will be a digital piece

00:05:17: And do you sometimes do a whole series in the day?

00:05:21: No,

00:05:21: they're all that day.

00:05:23: They are all done.

00:05:24: start to finish that day.

00:05:25: so yeah none of them are kind of like banked up and just released their data on that.

00:05:31: And do you do more drawings a day and pick one of them for that day?

00:05:36: Or just say, I'm doing one drawing no matter the outcome.

00:05:39: This will be it!

00:05:40: Yes...I definitely don't have time to each data sort-of like do a bunch then choose the best.

00:05:46: It's definitely we put all our eggs in one basket and hope FOR THE

00:05:50: BEST!!!

00:05:51: How much time do you calculate with this daily drawing?

00:05:55: Um, it depends on how much time I have that day and how motivated i am And how strong an idea.

00:06:03: It's usually somewhere between one to two hours.

00:06:06: Today will be probably closer than like a hour depending on sort of the time But its almost always done at end-of-the-day but it has got to be posted before midnight.

00:06:19: That is kind of methodology.

00:06:21: But that was the right moment, I guess in two thousand twenty one to release.

00:06:27: That big NFT of the first five thousand drawings and i think The First Bit was one hundred dollars it wasn't.

00:06:35: were you following the auction?

00:06:36: In the auction room?

00:06:37: or Was It an online?

00:06:38: it was that already Corona Online Auction.

00:06:41: so this was An online auction And just for kind Of like context of Like setting there.

00:06:53: I had learned of NFTs about four months before that sale, and so kind of over the last sort of like twenty years.

00:07:01: i've been making art since nineteen ninety nine um... And So I'd Been Making Art for About Digital Art For About Twenty Years Before That!

00:07:09: And I Kind Of Like Amassed A Few Million Followers On Social Media Prior To That Sale!

00:07:17: when I came to the NFT space, like it took a while for people my followers to convince me to look at this NFT thing that was already starting to sort of blow up.

00:07:27: And first it was like, This is some weird crypto thing and there's nothing to do with

00:07:31: me.".

00:07:32: Then finally they sort of convinced me and then I looked at it and instantly kind of clicked uh, we basically sold three and a half million dollars worth of NFTs in a weekend.

00:07:47: And that's what caught Christie's attention to be like wait a second What's this?

00:07:51: Okay That seems like something We might be interested into...and so things were like Momentum was building.

00:07:58: So this is obviously huge number but..we'd seen some huge numbers before the auction was actually over about two weeks.

00:08:10: It started at a hundred dollars and within the first like, I don't know ten minutes or an hour something Like that it got to a million dollars.

00:08:18: And so very quickly.

00:08:19: it was in The morning of the auction before uh...like..the last few hours Or whatever.

00:08:27: it was at like thirteen million dollars already.

00:08:29: So it's pretty massive sum Um.

00:08:33: but then obviously In the last you Know half-hour i got super wacky.

00:08:41: I mean that must have been a surreal experience to see the number explode so much.

00:08:47: It still is, it's like because...it was SO odd at the time Because not just me.

00:08:56: All of sudden all my friends were making insane sums Of money and they'd be like this guy made you know A million bucks.

00:09:04: This guys has made two million bucks in a weekend or whatever.

00:09:09: It was like, this weird little niche of art and the very specific kind of art that I create.

00:09:18: Suddenly all of these energy and attention were focused on it... ...and valuing in a insanely higher way.

00:09:31: But we've been like making this art for, you know years or whatever with people appreciating it but obviously not monetarily appreciating in that way.

00:09:41: And so yeah It was just very surreal.

00:09:46: I mean In a way it was the surreal time For all of us Not art wise Just society-wise.

00:09:53: Because COVID This shutdown Of everything.

00:09:58: I feel that was probably the right time for this kind of art, because so many things were channeled into digital ways more than before.

00:10:09: And the world was just a different place.

00:10:11: these years and now in retrospect i always find it strange.

00:10:16: we got over it... It doesn't seem like years but maybe weeks when look back at how to walk around with masks.

00:10:25: I know it doesn't.

00:10:26: It's like, wow that... Like the whole yeah- I completely agree.

00:10:30: i think everybody was in their house.

00:10:32: things accelerated digitally In ways That i think would have taken much much longer otherwise.

00:10:39: And yes its just very surreal to sort of look back at that entire time period.

00:10:45: So before you had been producing art for a long time when You Think Back Let's say, when you were a kid.

00:10:51: When was the first time that you thought art might be career or that you considered yourself an artist?

00:10:59: I did not think art is going to be a career.

00:11:02: where i'm from there are no people who like artists and nobody cares about art.

00:11:07: There're no museum Like Nobody.

00:11:10: The Artists just know part of Anybody's life.

00:11:14: where I'm from in the United States.

00:11:16: It's like a very small town in Wisconsin.

00:11:18: We got a computer when i was in fourth grade and that Was the immediate sort of.

00:11:24: this thing is The Thing.

00:11:26: And so at first, I wanted to make video games.

00:11:29: So I went to school for Computer Science Thinking I was gonna make video games and after a few years.

00:11:37: I realized I was spending all my time making weird little sort of like digital art on the computer And it was okay, that's actually what I probably want to do.

00:11:47: So i'm just going to get through The degree and then Get A job doing web design and Then Just put All My Energy into Making This Sort Of Like Art On The Side.

00:11:56: but There Was like no part of me ever thought I would make money off it because there was just nobody who's paying for this.

00:12:03: It was so weird and kind out-of the mainstream that, um... That is not even any part of a good story.

00:12:14: Honestly!

00:12:15: Even months before learning of NFTs The idea making money from Making a living at all From a collector buying your work.

00:12:28: I didn't know anybody who was doing that like That was Every single person i knew made money from freelance Work.

00:12:40: nobody, was Like making Money as A sort of like Collector.

00:12:43: and Again i'd like at that time i Was being flown all over the world to do Talks At conferences And stuff and Working with Louis Vuitton and Sort Of Sony and you know, SpaceX and Apple and all these like companies and stuff.

00:13:00: And so I was like okay this is as good as it gets Like what else could there be?

00:13:07: So yeah unbeknownst to me There's a whole other sort of world of kind of capital A art that just completely connected from What was happening digitally you know, what was happening on the internet at that time.

00:13:25: And so yeah NFTs were kind of that bridge to have people look digital art in a more serious way In terms of like value and sort of prominence society I think.

00:13:47: monetary success of that NFT, how did that affect your creative process?

00:13:54: Your creative life afterwards.

00:13:56: It made a massive impact and just the sort of like NFT kind of concept in general really affected greatly my practice for The entire time of that twenty years.

00:14:12: I was just one person working in a bedroom alone.

00:14:16: I would never, it was again doing freelance work but i would never hire people to like do work.

00:14:22: Like you know tons of works sort of coming in But only the things that I could just do myself.

00:14:32: And so when the freelance thing or when the NFT started happen.

00:14:36: People this is against so new That why would pay for nothing?

00:14:42: And I was like, no that's a fair point to be honest.

00:14:47: So why don't i just make A physical object?

00:14:51: That is better way To sort of experience the art Because again we all still live in The real world and They were little kind Of displays.

00:15:06: Having away to passively view The digital art In your home I was like, oh this is really a cool way and you also have the NFT.

00:15:17: And so that actually made me start to make sort of physical art because of the NFT thing which i would never even print out my work before!

00:15:28: So it really shifted the trajectory of the type of work that I did quite massively.

00:15:35: then obviously having some huge money allowed you know, artworks that I would never have done before because it's just like okay well this costs literally a million bucks to develop.

00:15:47: Like yeah i'm not gonna do that.

00:15:48: what are we talking

00:15:49: about?

00:15:51: And so... Yeah It was huge impact.

00:15:55: So from then on came installations and more expensive productions That became three dimensional in the real world too.

00:16:09: Yeah, so during that sale in December twenty-twenty My brother who is a mechanical engineer and worked at Boeing At the time was looking to sort of like do something different.

00:16:25: And he had kind of liked come To me like months before then been like oh should I got quit my job?

00:16:29: Like this is boring.

00:16:30: Like i don't want to Do This anymore.

00:16:31: and i Was like okay i'm A graphic designer.

00:16:33: what could i like?

00:16:34: you know What do You Want like?

00:16:36: and So During that sale, I was like you should quit your job and we can make bigger sort of physical things.

00:16:45: And so he immediately quit his job and started building a team of engineers.

00:16:51: So from there, we started making bigger sculptures these rotating boxes that have bunches screens look their kind of holograms in away and a bunch of different things, including obviously these the regular animals here.

00:17:09: And so we also built out a space in Charleston.

00:17:12: The studio is like a fifty thousand square foot giant space where We have sort of huge events A few times a year and then Have kind Of Like a sort of gallery kind of Space as well to show These sort of sculptures.

00:17:31: So yeah, all that stuff would not have been possible without obviously this giant sale.

00:17:40: And how many people work with you?

00:17:43: In the huge space just described in Charleston...

00:17:46: Yeah it's probably about eight or nine people who are on a team total.

00:17:52: but the amount of things we can do now insane.

00:17:59: everybody can program things and sort of like.

00:18:02: we can find answers to things much, much quicker.

00:18:05: And build out websites and things that so yeah were able work pretty quick.

00:18:13: So before talk about the regular animals I would like know how do you use AI on a regular basis?

00:18:21: So we use AI at the studio in sort of like many, many different ways.

00:18:26: I used AI for every day now because it's such a powerful tool and i was kind of using more.

00:18:39: I would make, you know use AI to generate an image and then Make a little three D model out of that And then used That in the sort Of like scene.

00:18:52: And i Would sort of Use Basically do The picture how?

00:18:56: I would You Know normally and Then kind of Like up Reset using AI To like add A bunch of Sort of like Little detail and then This year I was like okay Let me just see if I Just Do it completely from sort of like AI, which is actually a lot harder than I was anticipating to be quite honest because it's very easy to make something with AI.

00:19:18: It's very hard in my opinion to make some thing that doesn't suck with AI.

00:19:25: but beyond that we use for the programming build again, sort of like websites or a lot of the sculptures rely on different software systems.

00:19:39: That's all AI... The dogs use AI to transform the images that they see and so it really is very integral to many pieces what we do at the studio.

00:19:55: So let's say you want to make a drawing today using AI.

00:20:00: If I was your computer, what would the prompt be?

00:20:05: That is good question!

00:20:06: Usually the prompts are mixed of some text and images as well... ...to help guide it in the right path.

00:20:18: huge sort of like paragraphs and then from there, I'll take the image.

00:20:23: And it's a mix of AI in Photoshop.

00:20:29: Then all add things or change things or cut out little pieces of it and then re-put that into AI again and say okay changed this thing here to another one.

00:20:41: so You know sort of like usually just one prompt.

00:20:46: It's kind of like that's just a tool to sort of make an image That otherwise would have been not something you could do in the day because there was many, Many types of images.

00:21:00: I couldn't do labor intensive process.

00:21:05: And that's why, you know to be quite honest a lot of people are sort of like scared this technology and I do think it is going to be very disruptive in many sort-of production workflows because does speed up or eliminate huge amount of labour.

00:21:22: Are you never upset when something looks your work but its done by AI somebody else?

00:21:28: Like the protection artistic creation?

00:21:33: No, I don't think.

00:21:35: first off.

00:21:35: I don' t think i have that strong of a like aesthetic That it would immediately be like.

00:21:39: that's my thing.

00:21:41: but thats not.

00:21:42: Like every single Thing you see including the people who are extremely iconic artists borrowed from other things they saw.

00:21:55: and so thinking You can sort of own an entire, like style of sort-of work is... I mean could nobody paint anything remotely?

00:22:10: Like Picasso after Picasso.

00:22:14: Even he borrowed from African things and so it's like.

00:22:19: well could he have not done that?

00:22:20: because people in Africa did that?

00:22:24: Everybody is borrowing from other things.

00:22:28: And so the idea that you could sort of like own a style, You

00:22:34: know what I mean?

00:22:52: tell a computer or you can tell AI to do a million versions of something and that person would never do a billion versions because it's physically impossible.

00:23:06: So I just think, um... It's scary to think.

00:23:09: all the creations have been reached over hard fought artistic careers put into a pot and you can disperse them indefinitely without any emotion, in any combination with anything else.

00:23:28: I'm also curious...I can't say that I find AI only terrifying but i'll also find it terrifying..i see there are many good things that could come out of it ,but in the arts ...i just cant wrap my head quite around what will happen?

00:23:46: because when AI takes over let's say graphic designers work, you know.

00:23:53: then in the end I mean and it kind of only regurgitating things that have at some point been done by a human being.

00:24:01: And then different combinations can be regurgitated again.

00:24:06: but when this way basically graphic designer or artists die out because they no more jobs eventually i feel like feels kinda hollow empty and more creativity is needed, but maybe we have killed the creative class.

00:24:23: So a couple of things there.

00:24:25: I agree that it Is going to be very disruptive in terms of jobs.

00:24:35: That part i am very worried about to be quite honest because It automates A lot of things and it's getting better and better.

00:24:46: And design-wise, It's getting Better and better Quite quickly...and the cost and time between having AI do something and paying somebody to Do Something is I mean you're talking about something that's nearly instant and basically free versus potentially thousands tens of thousands of dollars.

00:25:12: And so, that part of it I'm extremely worried about.

00:25:17: In terms of killing sort-of like creativity... ...I think its actually completely the opposite because being able to make all these things a bazillion images when you look at most those images do find them interesting?

00:25:37: No!

00:25:38: You don't So, but if I showed you that exact same image and told somebody painted it or made by hand.

00:25:46: You might think oh thats interesting!

00:25:49: And so i think its actually massively raised the bar in terms of creativity because i see things all the time That If i had seen that five years ago...I would have been like oh my god thats

00:26:02: crazy!!

00:26:05: Like, the bar is actually way higher for something new and novel that I have not seen before because it's so easy to sort of like make things.

00:26:15: And so...I think at the end-of-the day this is a tool!

00:26:20: ...and i think It Is Going To Be A Tool That'S Used By Many People Very Regularly For All Sorts Of Things.. ..And I Look At It....I Think There'S Somewhat Of An Analogy To Photography.

00:26:35: Photography used to be very hard to do.

00:26:37: You needed specialized things and you need it develop your pictures in a Lightroom, and you needed to understand all the stuff.

00:26:48: now A kid can take a picture just kept her finger And he took a picture and everybody takes pictures.

00:26:55: Now.

00:26:56: so as photography dead There are still photographers that are doing interesting work.

00:27:03: you look at and makes you stop, be like okay wow that's a really interesting use of this medium.

00:27:08: But the medium itself got very easy to do And everybody does it but everyone doesn't consider themselves as a photographer.

00:27:17: I think they will be similar with AI.

00:27:20: Everybody uses AI to generate images.

00:27:23: They'll use it to generate Movies for themselfs Use music maybe just they like.

00:27:30: Nobody else gives any shit about um Pornography.

00:27:35: there you go.

00:27:36: Let's get get crazy with it.

00:27:38: But so he'll generate all these things and like.

00:27:41: probably nobody will care about most of the stuff to you generate.

00:27:45: but some people Will do interesting Things With These Technologies That Make You Stop And Sort Of Like Think, and It Will Be a Small Percentage of All The sort-of Like Use Cases of that?

00:27:58: So I think It is, to me both very exciting and inspiring what's possible now.

00:28:09: And scary because I do worry about how good it is getting... ...and how disruptive that will be for people sort of like working.. ..And i wish more people were a little bit in the middle on this too Because most people are either like This Is The Death Of Everything or This Is Like The Best Thing Ever And Its Going To Solve All Our Problems.

00:28:32: but it's kind of maybe both of those things too.

00:28:35: Okay, that sounds very wise!

00:28:38: During the US presidential election of twenty-twenty you created a work called Crossroad which was actually depending on the outcome of the election.

00:28:49: can you explain this work and how it turned out?

00:28:53: So that is what I made in October of twenty twenty sort immediately after learning about NFTs.

00:29:02: As soon as I learned of NFTs and it kind of like clicked, um...I started talking to all the sort-of heads of all the platforms, collectors artists trying not understand this space.

00:29:12: And one of things that I offhand said was It would be interesting To do an NFT where it changed based on the outcome Of the election.

00:29:24: The people who ran that platform were like oh nobody's ever done something Like That!

00:29:31: Thinking it was just kind of like, oh okay well that doesn't seem like that.

00:29:34: Like crazy even idea or whatever.

00:29:36: and they're like no we should do that.

00:29:38: And so We did that.

00:29:40: but I had to like do It like you know a week later because the election was coming like two weeks Later um...and So The person who bought the piece Didn't Know how?

00:29:51: Was going To look in the end.

00:29:53: and so That's something that NFTs as a sort of like medium allow you to do, they can change over time.

00:30:01: And I think that's something that... To me is very exciting because A normal sort-of painting or a normal sculpture It IS what it is.

00:30:11: You see it on the wall?

00:30:13: Its not gonna change any new meaning That you derive from.

00:30:19: it was somewhat unintentional Because its statement frozen in time Versus digital art and NFTs have the ability to change And sort of like adapt and react To things that happened, create these dynamic systems That changed.

00:30:38: So as a medium I think it's something that is really exciting.

00:30:45: The first dynamic piece.

00:30:51: Would it be time for another crossroad now, the midterm elections in

00:30:55: U.S.?

00:30:58: Yeah I don't know what's going to happen with the midterms.

00:31:00: maybe next election would be a good sort of like crosswords.

00:31:06: but yeah

00:31:07: You brought regular animals to Berlin.

00:31:11: What is that title referred to?

00:31:13: What are regular

00:31:13: animals?

00:31:15: So regular animals?

00:31:16: The reason its titled Regular Animals Is because the sculpture, which is these sort of tan kind of skin colored looking robot dogs with very realistic sort of like heads looks Very odd.

00:31:36: It looks very weird But I think it will be something that is Regular or sort of normal in the future and i'm always trying to at work that I do not say how things should be in the future.

00:31:56: Let's see, How Things Could Be In The Future?

00:31:58: And so... ...I think this thing seems super weird.

00:32:04: now will just like a regular thing for the future and it is called Regular

00:32:10: Animals.

00:32:11: So these robotic dogs as you explained one has a very realistic looking head of Elon Musk.

00:32:20: One has the head of Picasso, one has he had of Warhol?

00:32:25: Why is it only

00:32:25: men?".

00:32:26: So that's good question.

00:32:28: I got that question quite few times.

00:32:31: Do you think if i put The Head Of A Woman on a dog in twenty-twenty six That would turn out Very Good For Me.

00:32:39: Yeah, and there you go.

00:32:40: We played the whole movie forward through.

00:32:43: Okay?

00:32:44: Because of English word bitch is also a bitch.

00:32:48: There we go

00:32:48: okay.

00:32:48: We've played them all movie out

00:32:51: but why isn't that selection?

00:32:53: Why's it especially these famous men?

00:32:55: so The way that the artwork works Is that These dogs are walking around autonomously And they Are taking pictures pooping out prints in the style of each of those different characters.

00:33:15: And so, The Picasso dog takes pictures and then using AI reimagines those pictures In a style of Picasso.

00:33:27: So it looks like a cubist sort-of image.

00:33:29: Then has printer attached to back of the dog and squats down and poops outta print.

00:33:36: All this happens automatically.

00:33:40: The Warhol dog sort of like poops out pictures that look like screen prints from Warhol.

00:33:47: A little bit,

00:33:48: a little bit and the analogy there or idea is That in the past our view of the world was influenced by artists.

00:34:00: The way Picasso painted the way war hall talked about capitalism consumerism those changed how we saw the World.

00:34:08: Now tech billionaires, namely Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk control powerful algorithms that influence how we see the world.

00:34:19: They influence what we see And they influence What We Don't See.

00:34:22: How Much Of It We See?

00:34:25: This is an immense amount of unchecked power.

00:34:28: That does not require them to lobby The UN To Change The Algorithm.

00:34:36: It does not require them to go to Congress and get a law passed, change the algorithm.

00:34:41: They just wake up And they could just change the Algorithm and hundreds of millions or billions Of people would see something different that day?

00:34:52: it Would immediately See Something Different.

00:34:56: These People Have The Power To Change People's Lives In A Real Actual Way.

00:35:05: Most politicians don't actually have that much power.

00:35:09: Like if even Trump, If he wants to do something That affects the average American's life It is kind of hard.

00:35:18: Versus Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk could immediately affect a lot Of people lives in terms like what they see that morning.

00:35:28: And so then this sort of idea behind selection of those sort of like characters.

00:35:36: So it's a strong critique of society?

00:35:39: It's not necessarily, uh... sort-of like critique because I'm always trying to kind of like ask more questions than give answers with artwork.

00:35:50: but it is how it is.

00:35:51: Like if you think that is NOT good That is definitely what you can come too A position you could take on THAT.

00:36:00: But this is DEFINITELY the way IT IS.

00:36:04: And for everyone who is going to visit Neue Nationale Galerie, these pictures are free-to be taken away.

00:36:10: Yep there'll be a thousand prints ten twenty four prints made during the course of this exhibition and so I think roughly every hour they're gonna sort of like hand out some prints.

00:36:24: yeah... Base level of Neue Nationale Galerie contained in a square area, and they will be installed tonight.

00:36:32: So I'm very curious to see them in action!

00:36:42: I'm curious to see that you're combining programming AI and robotics in your work.

00:36:47: Some of the latest technologies, uh... The world is talking about.

00:36:51: what are the latest technological developments?

00:36:54: That You know About that you also excited about.

00:36:58: i mean now Also passed a i.

00:37:01: um..I think Robotics Is going To be the next thing that Um....i Think you're gonna See A chat gpt iphone type moment with um because i think we had robotics in the past but With the Um combination of ai where you now have things that can move around and Be much more intelligent, and understand what they see.

00:37:31: I Think That is going to very quickly accelerate And be another sort of like Oh my god, moment.

00:37:42: And so I think that's probably not that far down the

00:37:44: line

00:37:45: here.".

00:38:03: I

00:38:08: think to me it's really just a continuation of those practices.

00:38:15: This work, you know... ...I see as like a living sculpture.

00:38:19: It also combines photography, it combines printmaking.

00:38:22: Um..it combines this sort-of generative system To produce all these things.

00:38:29: And i think um...It's massively influenced by those things that came before, obviously it's producing warhol type prints and Picasso-type sort of like images as well.

00:38:46: And so I think to me...I see digital art being just another medium.

00:38:55: eventually will be seen the same as sculpture photography or any these other thing.

00:39:03: Do you collect art?

00:39:05: I don't really collect art, to be quite honest.

00:39:07: Many people have told me that they need to start collecting art but i've never collected anything...ive never collected baseball cards or you know comic books..or shoes....or anything and so i'm just not a-I just dont' have that mindset!

00:39:24: Im so focused on what can make that.

00:39:27: I just don't like it's don't have the bug I don't have the gene.

00:39:33: I hear you, but on the other hand i find You producing a picture every day.

00:39:37: that's also kind of a collection.

00:39:39: That's almost manic.

00:39:41: it is...I mean there's not that I Don't Have my OCDs..i definitely have that But It just like- I think what Also A part Of it Is.

00:39:57: For The vast majority of My Artistic Practice Art was not something that you owned.

00:40:04: It was just like, because again I didn't know of collectors or anything about this sort-of world.

00:40:12: art was ideas that you saw on the internet and then you put your ideas on the Internet And...that's it!

00:40:22: You were influenced by the idea of owning the ideas We're like...I don't understand that.

00:40:30: Even today, sometimes the idea of like owning art feels a bit weird to me because The actual physical object of the art To me is it's not really that important in a way.

00:40:53: It's more about ideas that are embodied And the thing itself is just kind of like a vessel for those sort of ideas.

00:41:08: Yeah, it's still sometimes a bit weird to be honest.

00:41:13: What will you be looking at when your in Berlin?

00:41:15: For another couple days.

00:41:17: I'm definitely excited To see the rest Of The Museum.

00:41:20: i've actually seen almost none of It because I Just got here yesterday and we had You know A bunch of pressed stuff today.

00:41:26: so...I have not even Seen this museum.

00:41:32: If time travel was real, what place and period would you visit?

00:41:37: I would visit as far into the future.

00:41:39: As i could go

00:41:41: What's your most important tool?

00:41:45: A computer!

00:41:47: if You were an animal...what Would it be?

00:41:49: a sloth have really like sloths.

00:41:52: Which game do you like to play?

00:41:53: That's

00:41:53: a good question.

00:41:54: I'm gonna say War Robots.

00:41:56: Is that a video game?

00:41:57: It is actually my son's favorite video game at the moment.

00:42:00: So, i am going to say war robots

00:42:03: Okay!

00:42:03: What are your favorite color?

00:42:05: Green?

00:42:06: Do have recurring dream?

00:42:09: I used to have a recurring nightmare about missing an everyday and then technically did not post it before midnight one time and I've not had that recurring nightmare since.

00:42:24: Do you listen to music while your work?

00:42:28: Yes, i listened a lot of electronic music.

00:42:32: Which topic would you like in an entire issue of Weltkunst or magazine?

00:42:38: I'd like the impact on today's society from social media to AI to phone addiction.

00:42:49: I would like to see that and i think it's a very pressing topic.

00:42:56: Can you share wisdom?

00:42:59: That is tough one!

00:43:00: One of the things people ask me alot about every day, how do come up with all these ideas or whatever?

00:43:07: And my saying Is You Do Not Have A Lack Of Ideas Or A Lacks Of Deadlines.

00:43:12: Thankyou very much.

00:43:13: This has been real pleasure.